JavaScript is disabled. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? Swiss rail. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). In terms of changing the background colour - I was going to go with a navy blue, but then it wouldn't integrate with any part of the design system I had in my head, so I opted not to. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. The Overground operates under its own livery. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). What is of 2020s Britain then? The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. The pleasure's all mine. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. You are using an out of date browser. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L Wholely agree. The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. But theres no particular reason this should be. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. Could GBRTT be right for you? This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. Something timeless. This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. It does because it's public perception. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . It may not display this or other websites correctly. Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. Read about the differences between Britain, the. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. I dont think we will see train liveries being changed for a while. The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. JavaScript is disabled. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Press J to jump to the feed. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. We use cookies. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. Beattie acknowledges how Ulsters separate unionist parties weaken the Union. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? 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