I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. The whole time I was in Dublin (or even while I was Belfast) I never once heard anyone say anything about any whiskey having a religion. The Catholic and Protestant Reformations established long-lasting effects within the religious world. Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. A fair amount of nonsense in some of these replies. Im married to a Protestant and my best friend and fellow whiskey hound is a also one. What a treat. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. Dont be so ignorant as to think about whether a whiskey is protestant or catholicidiot. Now I need to locate Redbreast! . Its summer here in Oregon, which means barbecues, camping trips and river floats are on the agenda for the next few months. You will love this stuff. -as he grabbed the Red Breast off the shelf. Were not bothered by any of that old bullshit now. Have heard that Jim Beam (the new owners of the Cooley distillery) may discontinue production on contracted whiskies such as this in order to focus squarely on putting Kilbeggan up against Jameson, Bushmills & Tullamore Dew. I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. This is quite common from what I hear, and yet another argument in opposition of politicizing these two whiskies. Funny. post number 66). One more thing Since Pernod Ricard shut down the grain stills at the old Bushmills distillery, all of the grain whiskey in Bushmills is from Middleton! I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. But thats merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork Catholic country. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. Interesting and often amusing reading of so many perspectives. Tullamore Dew has lemon notes with wood undertones, whereas Jameson has a light . She didnt give a toss about anyones religion, let alone the whiskeys. Or champagne to protest Frankish aggression against the Gallo Romans. [1] Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. mhermher 9 yr. ago I always remark "that's Protestant whiskey" at any mention of bushmills, but no one ever catches the reference. [15], More recently, in 2015, Powers Signature Release won a gold medal in the category Irish Single Pot Still Whiskey at the Irish Whiskey Awards. Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. What can one expect from people who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life? Like seriously you hate us so much you wont drink our whiskey??? When Alfred Barnard, the British historian visited John's Lane in the late 1880s, he noted the elegance and cleanliness of the buildings, and the modernity of the distillery, describing it as "about as complete a work as it is possible to find anywhere". . 17-18 years old found the love of my lifea catholic girl. I sincerely doubt that there are too many Irish Catholics who care about the religion attached to what they drink. For one, Jameson and Bushmills trade casks and some Jamesons bottles are bottled in the Bushmills distillery as well as knowing many a catholic who have worked there over the years. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? In April I went to Jerusalem. As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! And as you can check from the email address I come from Finland, a protestant country. There is neither protestant nor catholic whiskey available. Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. Polarised. Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. Your email address will not be published. 1 pint of stout and a halfun of Jameson.. Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. Why not stop purchasing rum to protest Spanish aggression while you are at it. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. red breast is my favorite single pot still whisky!! But it was mentioned in passing at several rural pubs in co. Mayo and Sligo that Bushmills was loyalist swill, all in good fun Im sure but its not limited to plastic paddies. Now, go have some grappa with an espresso this evening. The Fair Employment Commission gave Bushmills a clean bill of health. In whiskey world Northern Ireland is considered to be part of the irish island so no reason to judge Bushmills to be protestant or not. The young fella attending to the store asked if I wanted Catholic or Protestant then he placed a two bottles of Bushmills on the counter one plain and one Black label. I even stayed in what was one of the hotbed cities during the troubles. Didnt think I liked any kind of whiskey until last week when I asked our waitress at Murrays to bring me something Irishshe brought me Jamesons on the rocks along w/ a small bottle of ginger ale & a lime. ! Idiot!! I live in a small town in Texas, I am Catholic and I am treated as if I am a leper. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys?. Redbreast was a recent taste and I liked that a lot. All appointments are made solely on the basis of merit.. So bottoms up. It may not be factual, verified, or correct, but definitely true. @Allen: Thats just my point. This is wayyyy late, and I apologize, but the record needed to be set straight. The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including: Backlash against the Weimar Republicand the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s Anti-Communism Nationalism This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. Great smooth flavor and a soft long finish. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! Protestant - to 'protest'. Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. (Ref. Like Jameson, it is blended whiskey, some combination of pure pot-still whiskey with column-still grain whiskey (allegedly 70% pure pot still to 30% grain). Currently rumored to be building a new distillery, Well, I already put my two cents in well up the thread, but here is some topical good news for the distillery in the North2013 Spirit of the Year: Bushmills http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Having just had this discussion with my buddy who was bribed with a bottle of Bush to express his love of it via twitter (which he refused, good man that he is) I have to say the following-. Generally, it is a little less expensive than Jameson. Im after trying many whiskies and Jamesons Gold is my current favourite, if a bit spendy. Wow, this was such a fun read through. Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. Do not place them next to each other. Bushmills, in turn, supplies the Midleton Distillery with single malt, which they use to make Tullamore DEW. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. By far the biggest of this selection. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? Click here to learn how to make this and other drinks for a slushie machine! Ireland is %110 united in whiskey. DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. Counter-Reformation, also called Catholic Reformation or Catholic Revival, in the history of Christianity, the Roman Catholic efforts directed in the 16th and early 17th centuries both against the Protestant Reformation and toward internal renewal. My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. Clean, fresh. Raised going to church every goddamned Sunday. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. First published on March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM. I still live there. A great whiskey. I am going to be the bartender at my college prom, and need a drink that will be popular with the kids. Privacy Policy | Palate [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. In 1998 Bushmills was part of IDL, which owned all the whiskies coming out of Ireland with the excpetion of the few from Cooley. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. [3] At the time the distillery had three pot stills, though only one, a 500-gallon still is thought to have been in use. But my personal preference is Redbreast, a twelve-year pot still Irish whiskey produced at the Old Midleton Distillery and a real delight to sip while enjoying a late-night Irish breakfast of sausage, egg, pudding and soda bread. Trust me on this. If you guys can get your hands on Kilbeggan, it will not disappointI only recently discovered it and thought Id share. wear my orange on St. Patricks Said to be the favorite of the Emerald Isle too. . To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). Although some Protestants continued to make and sell alcohol, and many more consumed it, the pressure was . Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. Personal life experience. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. say more. Believe in the Trinity of God. Slainte. Next Post Xante Pear Liqueur (Not A Sex Toy). I can solve this argument. While John Jameson was most likely a Protestant, his distillery in Dublin represented the Free State mentality and did not suffer from bigoted hiring practices. Who do I believe, the man who raised me, or some drunk I met in a bar? I tasted the Jamesons before I poured in any ginger ale & so glad I did, Irish whiskey is sooooo much better IMHO than Scotch or bourbon IMHO. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. All Irish whiskey is great. Potatoes for supper Bushmills on one end, Jamesons on the other. Thats where I paused it and jumped on to google to figure out exactly what neat meant, which lead me to this article of yours: https://jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/up-neat-straight-up-or-on-the-rocks/. He said Jameson trucks it up there when Jameson is at capacity, and Bushmills has the resources to do it. Just as in an area which is largely Catholic you would expect most employees to be Catholic. Does anyone know why these bottles were over there ? The difference between the two has to do with the history of whiskey production in Ireland. I come from an island which has been called the most Irish place outside of Ireland and weve had our papist-loyalist troubles in the past, where they will remain. In 1966, with the Irish whiskey industry still struggling following Prohibition in the United States, the Anglo-Irish Trade War and the rise of competition from Scotch whiskey, John Power & Son joined forces with the only other remaining distillers in the Irish Republic, the Cork Distilleries Company and their Dublin rivals John Jameson & Son, to form Irish Distillers. The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. @Darby OGill. And while the distillery had a larger proportion of Protestants than Catholics, this was down to the demographics of the area in which the town of Bushmills is situated which is largely a protestant area and the employment status reflects that. We intend to vigorously defend our position. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. Im sure there were dodgy discriminatory practices based on race or religion in most big corporations in many countries in the past. However, ownership remained in the family until 1966, and several descendants of his sisters remained at work with the company until recent times. Jameson was a Dublin Whidkey but it was Protestant. FoinahYou nailed it. Ive worked my way through nearly all the brands mentioned here and yet consistently return to my beloved Jameson 12 neat. Ive never even seen a bottle of Paddys (although I havent really been making an exhaustive search). Whiskey has no religion. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. With regard to Powers Gold Label: I bought a bottle last week after reading about how decent a drink it was. One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! That was in fact untrue. This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. While Redbreast is great, wonderful stuff, dont ever pass up a chance to sample their self-titled Middleton. Love a pleanty The make up of the folks who work at Bushmills reflects the religous makeup of Northern Ireland roughly 40% Roman Catholic. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. Liquorice-like sherry notes They are just businesses making whiskey. All of this is just silly, Ireland is totally united in the bottle. The big difference between the two whiskies has nothing to do with religion, which is silly and, in some respects, rather ignorant. Several years ago, I worked in Bulgaria and a couple of other Balkan republics; and found to my surprise that Irish Whiskey is somewhat popular there, though far outpaced by the ubiquitous Balkan hard liquors Rakija and Mastika. lol. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. Though it is good to remember that Bushmills & Jameson were selling about even worldwide up until the mid/late 1990s, before Pernod decided to put all of its eggs in the Jameson basket. Get over it and drink what you feel. Though I like all of the ones mentioned above more. Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . hint of linseed. They have started construction now on a grain still on site now which means that the full three components of the blend will be produced in Tullamore. Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. 12 years of Catholic school in Queens, NY which is probably why Ive been a Buddhist for the last 35+. If you are not an active Catholic or Protestant. Nevermind the fact that it would be illegal in UK law. The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. I come from the border and powers was the biggest seller by ten to one over any other whiskey,jemmy was next ,bush mills was not even on the optics and it was all about their hiring practices of workers and not the religion of their owners, @jen The version that Im familiar with is, of course Jamison is Catholic and Bushmills is Protestant. best bang for your buck for a sipping whisky. The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. I was wondering when someone would ask this question. As the Protestants had pretty much a stranglehold over all shipping in the country, they refused to ship Dew in favor of the Protestant-produced Jameson. 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