All rights reserved. PPS. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. A point you also mentioned. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Really? Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. I know the drill. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. Name me one church that has handled everything well. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. March 5, 2021 . A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. Ward's father, John Tucker, was also a member of the church who had been informed . . Is this success? all Christians are the same etc. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. They do things right. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. End of Discussion. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. God is everywhereeven in the news. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. complete with standing ovation. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. I dont do stock answers. It happens. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. I did read your comments. Finally that book! IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Not on Amazon it aint! It was neither juicy nor gossip. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Hardly the same as Furticks message! Market data provided by Factset. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. . Its always good to get correction! How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." It just looks weird. Your email address will not be published. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. Will you not come and revive us? Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. Can I suggest an alternative standard? If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). So it wasnt all bad. The truth be told the Bible never once says it is wrong to have money or stuff. You are just exporting your own. Excellent post! I'm a bank robber."[41]. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. You can find the details here. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. Its only your perception and I would deny it. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. Required fields are marked *. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. Truth in love. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. 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